Thursday, March 04, 2004
Comments: ozymandias_1@hotmail.com
Positive Polarization
Responsa from Zack re FMA:
"The big difference is that GW did not reach out for this issue. Gay activists purposely chose this time running up to the election to force GW to make a choice. He could either watch what was happening around the country and do nothing, thus angering a lot of people, or he could call for a reinforcement of the rule of law. He did not send troops to try and stop it. He did not go into court to try and stop it. He simply said we will let the people of the nation decide through the processes in place. For that he is called mean spirited. I have nothing against and actually could probably be said to be for the ability of anyone to marry anyone they chose. However this charade on behalf of the Democrat party to put GW in a bad place will backfire in, I am afraid, a very long term ugly way."
Oz: I do not feel it was Gay activists who began this agenda unless you are referring to the judge-activists. But yes your point re the rule of law is well taken - but I am not at this point convinced it will backfire the way you expect - I think it might backfire with those conservative youth who do identify with 'compassionate conservatism" in idealistic ways.
Zack: "This is not the civil rights movement, and as a man who grew up black under Jim Crow I am offended by the comparison. When you want to rent an apartment nobody asks you who you are sleeping with. They can see my race."
Oz: Again fair point, but to imply that two Gay men showing up to rent an apartment are 100%unidentifiable as Gay is a bit disingenuous. Personally, I can identify a Gay man or lesbian at around 30 yards.
And why does a new civil rights movement have to in anyway diminish the previous one? Were Jews who risked life and limb to get Blacks registered to vote in Mississippi diminishing the Holocaust? No - they were honoring it and the lesson of racism/discrimination that it taught.
The Civil Rights Movement, the Women's movement, the end of the draft - these are triumphs of American civil disobedience regarding discrimination - must we relearn everything?
Positive Polarization
Responsa from Zack re FMA:
"The big difference is that GW did not reach out for this issue. Gay activists purposely chose this time running up to the election to force GW to make a choice. He could either watch what was happening around the country and do nothing, thus angering a lot of people, or he could call for a reinforcement of the rule of law. He did not send troops to try and stop it. He did not go into court to try and stop it. He simply said we will let the people of the nation decide through the processes in place. For that he is called mean spirited. I have nothing against and actually could probably be said to be for the ability of anyone to marry anyone they chose. However this charade on behalf of the Democrat party to put GW in a bad place will backfire in, I am afraid, a very long term ugly way."
Oz: I do not feel it was Gay activists who began this agenda unless you are referring to the judge-activists. But yes your point re the rule of law is well taken - but I am not at this point convinced it will backfire the way you expect - I think it might backfire with those conservative youth who do identify with 'compassionate conservatism" in idealistic ways.
Zack: "This is not the civil rights movement, and as a man who grew up black under Jim Crow I am offended by the comparison. When you want to rent an apartment nobody asks you who you are sleeping with. They can see my race."
Oz: Again fair point, but to imply that two Gay men showing up to rent an apartment are 100%unidentifiable as Gay is a bit disingenuous. Personally, I can identify a Gay man or lesbian at around 30 yards.
And why does a new civil rights movement have to in anyway diminish the previous one? Were Jews who risked life and limb to get Blacks registered to vote in Mississippi diminishing the Holocaust? No - they were honoring it and the lesson of racism/discrimination that it taught.
The Civil Rights Movement, the Women's movement, the end of the draft - these are triumphs of American civil disobedience regarding discrimination - must we relearn everything?
